Massa's claim is based on imagining what would have happened if there had been no intentional crash and no safety car (i.e. Alonso went on to win the race in 2008, but it wasn't until the following year when the whistle was blown. Gaspar Palagyi (@palagyi) 13th May 2020, 9:06. Giving Piquet Jr. a racing seat in 2008 and keeping him in there until mid-2009 was a dollar auction from the word go. What is more, it's not Massa decided to give an interview about it, he simply answered to a question. That sounds like a story we've heard a few times before. He won the series' World Drivers' Championship in 2005 and 2006 with Renault, having also driven for McLaren, Ferrari and Minardi.With Toyota, Alonso has won the 24 Hours of Le Mans twice, in 2018 and 2019, and the . I don’t buy it. Next he'll be trying to suggest that David Icke isn't really the messiah and that Harold Camping's apocaliptic predictions aren't completely reliable! Buried deep in the sordid details of Formula One's 'Crashgate' is a raft of questions left unanswered. This is an unrivalled insight into the on-track action and behind-the-scenes details of the 2008 Formula 1 season. But I acknowledge some forummers who "go with their gut," in the absence of evidence, are whole hog with the conspiracy theory. Now he works for the sport's administration, Formula One Management (FOM), assisting former Benetton colleague Ross Brawn, who is managing director, in plotting F1's future. For instance, here back in 2009 in the context of the announcement of Alonso joining the team:http://www.formula1n...out-conspiracy/ Piquet. Singapore received praise from all sides for the floodlight show. He was cleared by the FIA of any involvement, though many in F1 believe he must have known. Ricciardo? It'll remain one of the sport's biggest secrets about what really happened, and we'll probably never find out. Can someone explain the 2007 crashgate for layman? Then the crash and subsequent early safety car happened and the infamous fuel line incident. While his teammate Valtteri Bottas enjoyed his first win of the season at the Turkish Grand Prix, it was a frustrating Sunday for Lewis Hamilton as he missed out on a podium spot and also lost the overall championship lead to Max Verstappen. 1. He is from Oviedo in Asturias in northern Spain. But he never raced in Formula 1 again. I can see that Renault would have wanted to keep the number of individuals who knew about their plan to a bare minimum, to minimise the possibility of being found out and to avoid unecessarily exposing more personnel than necessary to risk in the event the plan was discovered. The website Racefax.com this week published what it said was a dossier . Asked if that's the overall key theme of Marvel's mythology, Bradley said the key takeaway is "you can't do it alone, nor should you do it alone.". Ok, now I'll give you a more serious response. Say what you like but there is no way his strategy made any sense to anyone without that happening. Anyone who thinks he didn't know is either extremely naive or an Alonso fan. Now we know the truth about "crashgate" . these people who gave a confession: Briatore, Piquet jr, Symonds... and the misterious witness X, who got 100% protection of his/her identity. Alonso de Ojeda's brief presence in Colombia after his initial discovery gave rise to the El Dorado myth; that there existed a magical city where everything was made of gold. Recently crowned Formula-E champion Nelson Piquet continues to live under the shadow of his role in the F1 Crashgate scandal of 2008, but reveals that he in fact was offered a drive with Toro Rosso which he turned down. Answer (1 of 3): A few days before Alonso's 32nd birthday in the 2013 season, a reported asked what he'd like for his special day. Although I think Alonso did not know before hand I think he must have had his suspicions afterwards. When a spell goes wrong, dangerous foes from other worlds start to appear, forcing Peter to discover what it truly means to be Spider-Man. It was nelsinho’s choice not to do it before. The first night race in history was a great spectacle. The 2008 Singapore Grand Prix ' Crashgate ' scandal remains one of the darkest days in sports history, a Formula 1 team boss, his right-hand man and a number-two driver conspired to change the outcome, in favour of their number-one driver, by crashing out of the race. For Symonds, his five-year ban, which was later reduced to three years, has been a small part of his long F1 career as an engineer. Please re-enable javascript to access full functionality. they all got screwed when it came out. Travis Scott did not know of a mass casualty declaration at Houston's deadly Astroworld Music Festival last weekend, his lawyer said Friday. Former driver and F1 pundit Martin Brundle raced with Piquet's father Nelson Sr - a three-time world champion - in the 1980s and said of the younger Piquet: "[He] didn't deliver at Renault, he wasn't fast enough. Get the latest results and headlines sent straight to your phone, find all our Formula 1 coverage details with our Live Guide, sign-up to our newsletter and learn where to find us on online. Symonds was also highly regarded by the governing body and many teams. The safety car caused chaos in the pit-lane with all teams pitting at the same time. They have not shown any particular signs of competitiveness this season, and definitely none of the verve that late last season appeared to portent. Edited by Miggeex, 09 January 2014 - 13:59. Remember those remarks from Briatore about Nelson Jr. being gay? Unfortunately Massa pins the single reason for him losing the WDC on that particular race. 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He was cleared by the FIA of any involvement, though many in F1 believe he must . - Briatore, who always admitted he did not know a spanner from a sparkplug, took Benetton and Renault teams to titles. But they both got the boot! Don't go making spurious and explosive allegations like that unless you have iron clad proof. Despite the sanctions, most are still involved in Formula 1... After being sacked from the team, given a lifetime ban from events with FIA governance and warned any involvement he had in a team would never be granted a licence, his ban was reduced to just five years. I guess it did potentially lose him a WC though.. Edited by Brandz07, 09 January 2014 - 12:44. well, wasn't this an open secret ever since the 2009 reveal? Why? Surely that would have hit hard in Brazil elites (see current president Bolsanoro and his rethorics). The pitstop on lap 12 got the go ahead because Alonso agreed to the plan after he went over every single detail with a fine tooth comb in the pre race briefings. It could be entirely Plausible that Alonso was in on the plan but Piquet wasn't told about that. There is no credible reason for him to have had a part on the scam. Whether Alonso did or did not know about it, what does it matter now? Maybe I've been reading too much into it, but I was under the impression that Massa had always been rather passive aggressive about this issue in relation to Alonso. I read the wikipedia page, but it did not explicitly explain how a crash and safety car took away the leaders advantage and caused them to end up at the back after pitting. It happened, it's over, it's time to move on. Piquet Jr says he's said everything he needs to say and considers it "just something which happened a long time ago". He swapped out his super-soft tyres for the soft compound tyres and rejoined at the back of the field. Alonso is the only key player to escape untarnished. That’s why he got sacked regardless the chip he had on Briatore. You're right in a sense, that if Alonso had handled his relationship with McLaren a little better he could well have had four consecutive championships to his name (i.e. Found insideWhen the race unwound, Alonso led to the finish and a first victory for Renault in a year. ... But 'Crashgate' was about to shatter the brief peace of Formula One. ... Alonso's victory. Mosley was among the first to hear the full story. Briartore also had a lot of past history of being on the wrong side of the rules so was an easy target to aim at. He Used To Work In Corporate America. Last updated on 12 September 201812 September 2018.From the section Formula 1, "This is probably slightly on the wrong side of the cheating thing but in days past every team has done whatever they could to win - cheat, bend the rules, break the rules, sabotage opponents … this is just the FIA going on a crusade." We've heard the people involved say time and again that Alonso did not know, the rest may not be consistent but that has always been. There would be absolutely no gain in doing that, not to his son’s career, even less to his legacy on the sport. Piquet certainly didn't need to know if Alonso knew about it. I only know once safety car is out no one can pit without a 10s penalty until all cars are lined up, but how . While Alonso won the race, I suspect it is one that will have a hollow ring to it. Basically just as clearly the best car those seasons as the Red Bull is this season. Renault will continue under a new name as from next season. With Zendaya, Benedict Cumberbatch, Tom Holland, Marisa Tomei. A look on his face, a slight nod, wink, the way of their handshake after the win etc. You are faster than Alonso and better driver than Alonso yet still you’re asked to crash for the golden “star”. You seem to see a conspiracy around every corner. It was a lot of road show days and stuff like that, marketing days which didn’t help me at all to get prepared for the following season. That defies logic to me, but the fact we disagree is what makes forums like this so interesting. Thus, he lined up 15th. We will never know unfortunately but I’d be amazed if Alonso hadn’t asked the question of Briartore after the race in private as his manager. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! The guy lost the championship thanks to that disgusting fixed race. 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Although he enjoyed a career highlight of finishing on the podium at the German Grand Prix – “it was a podium with a bit of luck, but I led the race for a lot of laps” he said – Piquet admitted he had a tough time as Alonso’s team mate. One of the biggest attractions to Berlin in Money Heist is his dance moves, and they are not artificial.To spice up his acting career, Pedro Alonso took professional dancing classes at the Teatro De La Danza (Theater of Dance).. RELATED: 10 Famous Actors You Forgot Were In Musicals So why is it important 10 years later? “We were in talks, should I do a third year of GP2 just to keep doing some mileage and [because] it’s better than not racing. On the basis of this thread alone, most people believe he should just get over it, and they're bored of hearing about it. All in all it was an absolutely disgraceful episode but I still think the right man eventually won the title on that last lap in Brazil and it was one of the all time great F1 seasons. That first lap in Sochi was crazy for a lot of reasons. The following year Renault dropped Piquet at mid-season. Piquet Jr was all in, he was part of the conspiracy, and his father only revealed the truth *after* Piquer Jr was sacked. 'I'm no angel. Thats racing and thankfully it has got much better these days in terms of decision making in the stewards room. Sep 16, 2021. The main questions is: would Piquet senior and/or Piquet Jr have revealed the conspiracy to the press if Renault had Jr’s contract renovated in 2009? Alonso didn't need to know the plan but: Let's say Alonso was in on it, would he or the others tell Piquet about it? Edited by RoutariEnjinu, 09 January 2014 - 14:00. And here I think the plan was exlusively drawn up by Briatore and Symonds. News. Off course Nelson jr. was part of the conspiracy. Crashgate and its consequences . Now we know the truth about "crashgate" . That’s more than Hamilton overall before his debut in Australia and I didn’t even include Piquet testing few times in 2006 and his pre-season testing in 2008, which alone would add another 15 days and 6000 kilometres. So one of them still isn't telling the truth. Would Ferrari have bungled Massa’s stop if they had not been under more pressure because of the chaos??? The 'Infamous' Crashgate. Renault team principal Flavio Briatore and technical director Pat Symonds conspired with Piquet for him to crash his car deliberately during the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix after team mate Fernando Alonso had made an early pit stop for fuel. We can only speculate about Alonso, but Piquet is an admitted cheater. 5. In recent seasons the yellow Renault car was often found in the forefront of the midfield . Found insideAfter various other penalties were served and pit stops taken, Alonso moved into the lead and, despite making his second ... His fortunes did not improve, however, and in August 2009, without a single championship point to his name that ... He also always looked down on unsportive conducts on track. Flavio Briatore's journey in Formula One was colorful and was punctuated with peaks and troughs, but his exit in the aftermath of crashgate in 2008 was another controversial chapter in his life. Also, with the greatest respect to the retired policeman, I think most people would agree that Mosley probably did more than a little "guiding" in terms of what he should say about the various characters involved. if alonso knew and went ahead with this he should have received some sort of penalty for cheating. To race with full fuel load and make only 1 pitstop was the best bet for drivers to capitalize on those safety car rules, which throws everything out of the window. Alonso continues to race in Formula 1, but failed to capitalise on early career success despite five seasons with Ferrari. His leadership skills have been tailored towards managing Alonso's career, which will come to an end in F1 at least following his retirement at the end of the season. Williams not included, they would’ve crushed him even quicker. So much so, they still give conflicting information of whose idea it was in the first place. “So it was a decision which was wrong because at the end of the day in 2007 which was my test drive role, I ended up doing four or five days of testing. Fresh insights, exclusive interviews, and a plethora of evidence is brought together in a story that is guaranteed to amaze and shock. This book is a thorough examination of a turbulent season, including... ? Rushed car changes ? Former F1 driver Eddie Irvine. Renault's future in Formula One will hang in the balance when they appear before the FIA world motor sport council in Paris tomorrow morning, to find out what sanction will be taken over the . The crash took place in the only position on the track which required a safety car deployment, and post-race data from Piquet's car showed him continuously pressing hard on the throttle even after the back of the car drifted out "in the knowledge that this would lead to my car making heavy contact with the concrete wall". The Renault Formula One crash controversy, dubbed Crashgate by some in the media, was a sporting scandal caused when Renault F1 driver Nelson Piquet Jr, deliberately crashed during the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix, to give a sporting advantage to his Renault teammate, Fernando Alonso.. On 28 September 2008, on the 14th lap of the Singapore race, the Renault R28 driven by Nelson Piquet Jr crashed . Found inside â Page 145In F1's 'Crashgate' scandal of 2009, which driver confessed his Renault team had ordered him to crash on purpose in the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix to help team-mate Fernando Alonso? 8. Which English rugby union club was at the centre of ... IIRC, since there is some time I’ve seen reports about it, it was around the Brazilian GP, thereby still in 2008 that Piquet Sr went to Charlie, who told him an investigation couldn’t be started without a formal accusation by piquet jr. Nelson Sr kept pressuring nelsinho until he got sacked, and then everything finally ecloded. This is not recommended for shared computers. But I cannot understand how they could have possibly briefed Alonso effectively for the race without letting him in on the plan. play. the most (best?) Which is what they were doing before the SC anyway. Hamilton? They will be always be mentioned and linked by their respective share of shame instead. Following the Crashgate scandal in 2009, when Nelson Piquet Jr deliberately crashed to give Fernando Alonso an advantage, Grosjean was chosen by Renault to replace the Brazilian. An illustrated history of Formula 1 that traces the Drivers' World Championship, decade by decade, from its first race on 13 May 1950 through all 70 editions. Also, unfortunately, this will hound Nelson’s career as a professional driver for the rest of his life, and like it or not it also hounds Flavio’s life too and that of Pat Symonds. Experience may be the best teacher, but right behind her is David S. Rose." âAndrew Yang, Founder and CEO of Venture for America and author of Smart People Should Build Things "This book is an absolute must for anybody looking to start a ... Incident was investigated by the FIA and people were tossed out of the sport (Forever...until forever became a little while). Edited by PoleMan, 09 January 2014 - 14:12. Since Massa has not spoken up before, he is as complicit as the others. Until there is proof, we have to go with what was found : Alonso had no idea about the plan for Piquet to crash. The Spaniard was asked if he still considered his win from 2008 a legitimate victory: "I think that is interpretation. Others in the team must also have felt that something not right was being prepared. We will never Know! Pete Alonso hitting a ball more than 450 feet? Of course I'm sure all the arm chair experts on here know better. B. he has been given some new information and evidence either recently or at his time with Ferrari about the incident that suggests Alonso knew. I don't think it's that hard a sell. That occasion came in 2015, when Jenson Button scored 16 . However, Piquet Jr's statement detailed that in the presence of both Briatore and Symonds he was asked if he would be willing to "sacrifice his race for the team by causing a safety car". I know they had Michelin and Mass Damper advantage. well i guess if he said that he has closed the chaper 5 years ago then when journalist asks you that question you can simply say that you have nothing to add to your previous statements. “Apart from the rest of the people, obviously, everybody was on my side defending me. Will we ever know who was responsible for the scandal which shook Formula 1 a decade ago in Singapore, or should we continue to make our own educated guesses? Who will replace Vettel at Ferrari in 2021? It is sensationalist journalism that made it a headline. Although I think Alonso did not know before hand I think he must have had his suspicions afterwards. Lewis Hamilton says he's "very chilled" about his title fight with Max Verstappen and doesn't feel any pressure. But rarely can an attempt to abuse the system have involved such serious stakes, namely the personal safety of a driver. That would mean the Honda engine is well on its way to competitiveness, since the chassis is widely regarded, in many circles, t. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. After a couple of initial settlements in the early years of the . It’s one of those stories of life where simply nobody involved – Renault, Piquet Jr, nor even Alonso – came out winning. Answer (1 of 3): Honestly, we can't say right now. In the grand scheme of his 18-year career, Singapore 2008 is only likely to leave a small mark on the legacy Alonso will leave on F1. It's been designed specifically to promote better racing. Learn the tricks of an international make-up artist with Jemma Kidd Make-Up Masterclass, the bestselling guide to becoming a pro at home. Briatore, Symonds and Alonso know each other extremely well. We will never know the identity of Witness X however and shouldn't assume it was Alonso. And it was really tough. It was a scene you only know from bad racing films. Pretty sad for Felipe. [The crash] was in the early stage of the race and the car was performing well, I made no mistakes and so I still count it.". If it wasn't for that incident it was: 'Ah, he was fired from F1 for being a [bad] driver.' He now drives in Formula E and won the first championship in 2014, as well as featuring in various racing series in the years since 2009. Very implausible, just like Alonso not being aware of the plan, either.
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